Tuesday, January 10, 2012

Off the Top of My Head

Honk if you've heard this one:
  1. "I could never just sit there and knit. I don't have the patience."

  2. "My grandmother / Aunt Betsy / sainted mama / Avon lady / Girl Scout Leader/ field hockey coach used to do that!"

  3. "I think it's so sad that nobody knits any more."

  4. "How much would you charge to make me a [name of project]?"

My favorite of these is number three, because it leads me inevitably to the conclusion that I have died and am now a ghost. I would love to be a ghost, because the list of people I plan to haunt is longer than my nose and I might as well get on with it.

My least favorite comment is the last, because the well-meaning person who asks to hire your needles is seldom prepared for any answer you may give.

  • "I don't sell my work" sounds snotty (even if you don't mean to be).

  • "You couldn't afford it" sounds presumptuous (because it is).

  • "For a pair of socks like this, at least three hundred bucks" will bring a gasp of disbelief followed by a minor cardiac event. And once the paramedics have left and the spilled drink is mopped up, you have to talk to the innocent victim about fair trade, and the rights of artisans to earn a living wage, and the number of stitches in a sock, and Wal-Mart, and how actually, no, good yarn doesn't cost about a buck a ball.

Once in a great while, however, the questioner throws you a curve ball. A couple months ago, a good friend of mine asked about a hat for his wife. I hemmed. I hawed. I offered him another vodka stinger. He insisted.

I estimated the price of good yarn. He didn't blink.

I estimated the cost of labor. He blinked.

But then he said, "Okay. So, for that price could you have it ready in time for Christmas?"

Well, alrighty then. I could, and did, and here it is.


Commission 04

It's worked in Madeline Tosh Vintage.

Commission 03

I kept copious notes in case it might, some day, turn into a pattern.

Commission 01

In a few places the cables cross and travel at the same time, which is something I hadn't played with before. I love the effect, but I wrote on Twitter this reminded me of a diamond-studded toilet seat (pretty, but a pain in the ass) and Fiona Ellis got all mad at me.

Commission 02

Lessons learned:

  • always quote a fair price, even if you think it won't possibly be accepted; and

  • it never hurts offer the client another vodka stinger.

130 comments:

Trillian42 said...

Oh, PLEASE publish that pattern! It's lovely!

Eileen said...

HONK! And pretty please, do publish that pattern.

KTE said...

It's lovely, and I'd love to hear the (no doubt rapturous) reactions of the commissioner and the recipient...

Samina said...

Yowzer, that's gorgeous! Your friend got a bargain, whatever he paid.

May I add 4a to your list:

"You have to make me ______." It's even nicer than "How much would you charge?"

amysue said...

I am also hoping you publish the pattern. The hat is stunning and even as I type I could be wearing it at work and keeping my poor head warm.

Laia said...

Dude, knit the next one out of a rich brown and name the pattern "Acorn Topper." I'll test knit for the cost of the yarn and a free copy of the completed pattern.

DK said...

I'm with Samina - the usual inevitable question I get is, "Could you make me a hat/sweater/knitted Jeep cozy?"

It is lovely, by the way. It looks like one of those things that is a total pain in the ass but gives you a huge sense of accomplishment when it's done and you find it hard to resist the temptation to jump around your apartment screaming "Yeah! Who's my bitch? You're my bitch!"

Jeanne B said...

Gorgeous hat, gorgeous "not a buck-a-skein" yarn. Love the traveling crossing cables!

HONK. I've heard #4 within the past 24 hours. Given that the item desired is not a garment but a pet blanket and crocheted and will use buck-a-skein yarn, I suppose I can make it happen. Just this once.

Ironically, my verification word is MYONCE. Huh.

Sasha said...

I always explain that I don't knit for others but that I'd be glad to teach them to knit. One person took me up on it and is a knitter still. The others claim that they couldn't do that or don't have the patience. I knit along.

Anonymous said...

HONK! Love the hat. :) samm

Riin said...

Get my customers drunk. Got it!

Oh, since we've all heard the same comments/questions from non-knitters so often, I sell these in my cafepress shop: http://www.cafepress.com/happyfuzzyyarn/2350656

Dee said...

My all-time favorite comment was by a complete stranger who saw me crocheting a hat. "Oh, if you crochet, you must be smart enough to learn how to knit."

Beotch.

And yes, I do knit.

Fiona Ellis said...

You can appease me with a vodka stinger you know.

Anonymous said...

Yup, but you finished!

Anonymous said...

I love it. I want it. Please publish it.

Ruby said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Ruby said...

Love the hat. Please let us know when you publish the pattern.

And yes, I do think Fiona Ellis needs vodka stinger - the comment about the diamond studded pain in the arse comment - we might all need one for the PITA that some times comes around to all of us.

Lorna's Laces said...

Ah, I remember seeing that at the open house. It's even more lovely now that it is finished.

Elizabeth said...

I have a friend who has paid me a fair wage for a couple of hand-knit hats. He believes in supporting the arts. But most of the people who makes such requests really are clueless wonders.

My verification word is "waferim" which I find oddly intriguing.

kaykatrn said...

Yes, beautiful design, but also amazing knitting. I am in negotiations right now with a co-worker who thinks $40 is enough for a big honking shawl, and if I don't like that, $40 for a skinny one, OK? PS--big honking one is already knitted!

My verification word is kzdyl. I feel cheated!

Amy said...

My head says, "I don't sell my work," but what I usually say out loud is, "I only give my knitting as gifts." I hope that sounds less snotty.

Leslie said...

hat.. toilet seat... whatever, it's just lovely. And I bet it makes the wearer look good, which I'd pay a lot for some days.

Kim said...

I've started answering that question with "this took 30 hours to knit, so at minimum wage it would be $307.50. However, I have 39 years experience doing this and no longer work for less than $25 per hour." Or better yet, I insert an amount that is close to the hourly wage I know that person earns. Especially amusing at a friend's annual corporate lawyer's Groundhog Day party (seriously...can't make this stuff up!)

This gentleman needs to be commended for understanding the value of your time.

Oh, and nice hat, by the way. ;)

Jennie said...

My favorite is, "I never have the time." Always spoken by someone in a waiting room or in line.

I said to the guy at Disneyland who saw I was knitting socks, "Ha, you could make your own. You busy right now?"

$300 sounds about right.

Susan (and SmokeyBlue in spirit) said...

LOVE that hat. Want me a pattern, pretty please.

Cat Bordhi said...

Franklin, that is the most beautiful hat and you know it! Seriously, you must sit down with those notes and distill them into a pattern. You could call it Cabled Nipple Topper...well, maybe not. Gorgeous. A winner.

Cat Bordhi said...

Franklin, this hat is stunning and you know it! Please read those notes you've saved (wise move) and distill them into a pattern...it's a winner. Gorgeous.

steven a. said...

what'll $5 get me?

Patti Anne said...

Ab fab!!! Hope your good friend and his good wife were extremely pleased. Fiona may be appeased with a vodka stinger, but I will need the pattern!

Andrea said...

Beep! Beep!

Anonymous said...

Well I love the hat! publish the pattern!

Allison Mosley said...

HONK!!! Gorgeous hat, Franklin! The quality of your knitting - and your photography - is stunning.

...e... said...

iiiiiii'll drink to that!

Katie K said...

Your loving commenters-- priceless!

FiberQat said...

My usual answer to someone who asks me to knit something for them is "Sure, if you think you can afford to pay what I'm asking. Plain socks usually start at $50." Then when I watch them rise up from their faint, I smile prettily.

Isn't there a group of people out there whose hats are shaped with the point at the top? I can't remember who they are. Central Asian I think.

shana said...

HONK HONK HONK HONK HOOOOOOOOOOOOONK!

p.s. Your hat looks like a muffin top (not a bad thing).

akqguy said...

Honk! And it's beautiful work and lessons worth learning.

Peppermint Mocha Mama said...

Honkety Honk Honk!

I love the hat - in the first shot, it looked like a gorgeous red velvet cupcake.

rosesmama said...

I always answer (quite truthfully) to relative strangers,"I have carpal tunnel, so I only do this for love."

To those I love, I just let them know it might take awhile.

BTW, that hat is the bomb.

Roxie said...

The hat kicks tutu! Honk! (How much would you charge . . . - I star my reply by asking, "What do you think would be a fair hourly wage, seeing as how I'm a certified Master Knitter?")

pdxknitterati/MicheleLB said...

Beautiful hat. I like the point, especially.

I usually say that I don't have enough time to knit for hire, because I'm too busy designing. But I'd be happy to teach them to knit. They usually don't want to learn...

ressli! (word verification)

Carol said...

Three honks...haven't heard the 3rd one. Like others, I also get people commenting on how they don't have the time for it. Well, I do it at meetings, on the train, watching tv, you name it, wherever I can. A friend of mine even knits while hiking-I draw the line!

Your hat is drop dead gorgeous. The color, the design, oh so rich. Pleeeeez offer the design to your admiring fans.

Pretty Knitty said...

I second the please publish a pattern!!! Or third! OR 43rd! It's beatiful...and I love that you are using the new hat form for a model!

Anonymous said...

It's lovely. And I don't knit (or cook) for money, only love, or good causes. But some folks do, and good for you for getting the right amount!

Michelle said...

That looks like a delicious Red Velvet cupcake. May I eat it?

Gloria said...

Lovely, lovely! Please make it a pattern! I would so buy it and make hats for everyone I love. (I'm on a hat binge right now . . .)

Unknown said...

I'll try that one, please publish.

And on the subject of avoiding the selling of my work, I just always tell people that I'm the slowest knitter in the world and if they would like something I might be finished in time for their grandchild to wear it. :)

Anonymous, too said...

Very nice hat. I may never knit it, but I'd love to see the pattern just to see how you did the cabling! I hope the recipient realizes just what a (knitted) gem she received for Xmas.

And I second Cat Bordhi's suggestion for a name! Nice to see Hedda again, too.

Anonymous said...

The hat looks like a cupcake!
Beautiful!

Holly said...

I love the hat. I always tell people I would be glad to knit them something if they would spend the equivalent number of hours painting my house. Alas, my house still needs painting.

janetcc said...

Honk. Honk. Honk. Honk. Oh, and purty hat.

Jennifer said...

LOVe this post. The hat is really breathtaking. And... I just heard a funny radio bit about the rising problem of people who BUI - (buy under the influence) which states that we go online and buy more when we've been drinking. Hey... if it works for selling handknit items, I'm all for BUI! Hope you will publish this lovely pattern.

CraftyCarole said...

Oh my stunning doesn't even capture it. WOW it's incredible!

chellebelle said...

Honk on all accounts. I always let them know that I will teach them to knit anytime, I will not do the work for them, as I work full time, have a house full of kids at anytime, and there is a sink full of dishes, and a fiddle calling my name...and my own projects are backed up until retirement. I have had about 7 people take me up on this offer in about 15 years. They all still knit though! LOVE the hat!

Visa Lisa said...

honk, honk, honk, honk

...and cutest hat ever.

Mark E said...

Excellent hat, do make a pattern.

Mutare Posts said...

Indeed you do have a good friend who values what you do!! The vodka stingers probably help too. The hat looks awesome on Hedda. I'd love to get the pattern!

Sanhita said...

Haven't we all heard those questions!!! Sometimes hearing that, how-short-of-time-everyone-else-is-to-do-any-knitting, it makes me feel, I am the only vella (lovely word, meaning having no work in this big big world!) so I knit!! That does not stop me from knitting though, I have become immune!
Lovely hat Franklin, and yummy colour! Pl. do write down the pattern and publish it!

leFiligree said...

i am laying on my horn...and you cant go wrong with madeline tosh!

Dawn in NL said...

Hi Franklin,
Whatever your friend paid, not only did he get a lovely gift for his wife, he got an original panopticon design.

Beautiful hat.
Dawn in NL

The binge knitter said...

there's another one I encountered recently: "I've seen a pair of socks for £15, but then I though that I could always ask you to make them because you knit, right?" Sigh.

It's a gorgeous topper! Love the nubbly cables and the pointy crown most of all.

Aporanee said...

Please, please, please publish the pattern!

BTW my stock answer is "if you have to ask, you can't afford it."

And if they ever mention Wal-Mart I would not talk to them again.

karen alho said...

How do I make a (strong) vodka stinger?

Anonymous said...

My standard response to Q3 is, "Knitting is one of the things I do only do for love, never for money." In the right tone, it generally works.

Joan said...

The hat is lovely, but that husband is absolutely divine-- he aced the Christmas shopping this year-- lucky, lucky wife!

Lorilee said...

I'm thinking cupcake, too, in the best possible way, as it is luscious and rich-looking. Publish it, for sure.

Colleen said...

I tell people two things....1) I would have to charge $15-25 an hour (heads nod, although I still think at is underpriced) and it takes me at least 10-40 hours (depending on project in question)....head nodding slows as math kicks in and blinking starts ;-). And then I tell them the fun answer, 2). My handwork is like sex. If I like you it's free. If I don't like you, you can't pay me enough! (I make tallitot, Jewish prayer shawls, for my family and close friends' kids for their bar and bat mitzvahs. They take about 40 hours....I'd love to sell them, but, really, who will pay $1000 for one? They are all different....custom designed....)

CeltChick said...

HONK!! I've had folks ask for something that isn't on a pattern anywhere -- so I sould charge for designing it too? And one clueless individual wanted something so useless & fiddly, I just flat said no. I don't need anymore frustration, kthnxbai! Your hat's lovely, please consider publishing the pattern.

HipDroppedStitches said...

Beautiful! Lucky recipient!

Jen K. from MN said...

Totally LOVE it! Pattern please. Pretty please....with sugar!?!

Potato said...

So what did it cost him?

JoAnn said...

I wonder if you have custom labels for your work? Especially for the beauties you design - It's next to impossible to carve or paint your signature on wool.

Tams are my absolute favorite hat types.

BeckyinVT said...

I had to stop quoting fair prices when too many people started taking me up on them. It turns out that even then I just don't wanna sell the things I make...

knit happens said...

I'm a really nice person, but I once said "you couldn't pay me enough." My rudeness was justified. (JUSTIFIED, I tell you!) The requestor was a neighbor with whom I'd made several appointments, at her request, to teach her to knit. Appointments that she forgot about and never kept.

Nytate said...

It's lovely, do publish. I had a similar experience before Christmas as well. I find that ones who have tried to or do knit are the best to work for, they know the time and effort that goes into it. She bought a lovely alpaca blend sweater dress at a great price, but it desperately needed sleeves (we live in WA)... enter me. I quoted her a price per yard and estimated yardage and showed her the yarn options (in lys), she didn't blink either. Voila, sleeves for the bargain price of $200 and I got to keep all the left over alpaca.

Anonymous said...

Just a bit of useful information:

Vodka Stinger recipe
1 oz white creme de menthe
1 oz vodka
Shake ingredients with ice, strain into a cocktail glass, and serve.

Always trying to help

-Tom

svooozee said...

Nice hat! Well, a lot of honking from my corner of the world. I also often get the comment:You could earn LOTS of money if you sold your knitted things! Yeeas, right!

Sue J said...

My reply is always "I'll put your name on the list"
If I had a nickle for every time someone wanted me to knit them a pair of socks...........like I loved them or something!!

ladyofrohan said...

honk, honk

Good for him!

Seanna Lea said...

I've definitely gotten all of these before, and I've done (when I was younger and stupider) knits on commission before. I'm pretty sure the $100 I was paid for a shawl and a shrug were not enough for the hours I put into the two projects.

Valerie said...

That does sound familiar. Ever since a certain family member found out I could knit, she's made herself a shopping list of knitted items that I 'need' to make for her.

Now I have a list to choose from when making her birthday present, so it works out.

Alix in MV said...

Echoing that I love the hat and would love a pattern being made availabile!

JR said...

The "nobody" remark always reminds me of the Dickinson poem "I'm nobody, whoa re you"

mbcrui knitting olympics said...

For a dear friend, I agreed to make some "warm hats". She bought the yarn and shipped it to me. I refused to quote a price, just did it *because*. And she sent me a very nice amount anyway.

Another friend told me that she wanted an Aran sweater for her dad, and that she'd seen them in stores for $180-$200 and that was too much money... so I kindly explained to her about the cost of the yarn and the number of hours... and she decided that $200 was a pretty good price.

Yish...

Diane said...

Must try offering the drink first. I will say that offering up a fair price right from the get-go works. It would explain why I'm knitting a pair of silk mittens (right from the mawata) for a client.

Word verification is butski.

Diane said...

Then again, nowadays I usually just say that I just haven't got the time to knit-for-hire anymore and put them in touch with a LYS for both lessons & knit-for-hire (they have an employee/teacher that knits faster than you can see).

Anonymous said...

It's beautiful - love the pattern and love the yarn. Lovely work as always.

I don't know where I read this - but I remember someone asked a painter "how long did it take you to paint that picture?" and he/she answered "70 years". I always loved that answer - because it's not about the X hours it took (who the heck knows anyway?!) to knit the sock - it's many years of knitting that got me to understand yarn choices, read patterns, choose a good yarn/pattern combo, knit the darn thing, know that a twisted-german-cast-on is best for socks and so on... It's an impossible question to answer.

Christopher Lum said...

beautiful hat.

definitely turn it into a pattern. CLEARLY there is interest here, i'd buy it.

Caroline said...

Please pretty please publish the pattern!

When someone asks me if I will knit them something (whether they offer to pay or not) I reply that I only knit for love, not money. That usually is all I have to say.

Then again, I have taken off a vest and given it to someone who admired it. And I have offered hats at bus stops to people (mostly men) who were standing around hatless in freezing weather. I always carry a spare hat or two for just such a situation. I consider that love of a general sort.

Susan said...

I love the look of the cables on the reverse stockinette, Franklin.

Laura said...

Honk honk honk! The last person who asked me, just out of curiosity, what I'd charge to knit someone a pair of socks (he wasn't fishing, amazingly enough), nearly fainted when I told him about $300, but when I explained it to him, he actually saw the reasoning in it.

That being said, my answer is always, "I only knit for fun, and I don't find knitting on commission fun." That makes it all on me and not them for being crass enough to ask for something at about 1/475th the fair market price!

Randi said...

Thank you, Tom, for the vodka stinger recipe. I've never had one and it sounds delicious!

=Tamar said...

That hat is gorgeous. So is the yarn.

How about when,right after "Thank you,"
they say "Now I need X to go with it."

Marsha said...

Gorgeous! So, how much?

Kelly H. said...

Sometimes people *do* surprise. This winter, likely the last for my Step-Father-In-Law, I was asked if I could make a cardigan for him that would match one his grandson wears (don't ask). I had no pattern, no idea what yarn, and 6wks (during which I'd be going away for a week). Oy. I managed it, thankfully, and when his daughter asked how much I said "I don't know. The yarn cost XXX" I expected materials cost plus, maybe, $20 for my effort. She's tight for money. She surprised me greatly in stepping up and paying me for my work - much more than I'd anticipated.

I am, somewhat, renewed in my faith that skills and time are valued, if only by some.

Love that hat you made! Adorable!!

Liz said...

Today I got this: I have a sweater that is about 30 years old and has a polar bear on it and it is unraveling. Could you make me a new sweater with the polar bear on it?

Answer: No.

Nik said...

That's one beautiful hat, Franklin.
I don't sell my work either because I never think I will get what I really think it's worth. Someone sent me an e-mail saying that they wanted me to make them a hat, scarf, and sweater, and that they would pay me. I knew the person's financial situation, and KNEW that they couldn't afford a $300-$400 sweater. I offered to make her a hat for free.

Merry Karma said...

Beautiful pattern; beautiful color; beautiful yarn.

Love it.

Pamela said...

Honk! Honk! Honk! There is a lady at church who keeps bugging me about slippers. Even in her Christmas card. How ballsy is that? I've offered to teach her to knit. I told her I don't knit for money. I've tried to derail her but she is tenacious.

The hat is wonderful. You really should publish it. It would be a fun knit.

Dee said...

Beautiful, beautiful hat!!!

Yes ... I've heard ALL those and one more ...

...from a police office in my city (so I did NOT say what I really wanted to for obvious reasons, i.e. I really, REALLY don't need another ticket.)

So --- he says the words we all love to hear --- "you know, you can BUY socks at WalMart. You don't have to make them."

:::smacking head on Starbuck's table:::

Anonymous said...

You can buy those at Mallwort? Er, you CAN buy cheap, poor quality, one size fits none crappy socks there but you cannot buy custom fitted, hand made, gorgeous socks at Mallwort.

SallyM said...

Great hat! Lucky lucky woman to get your hand knit original design. Sigh. And honk honk honk - here is my latest story - last weekend at the christening of my husband's great nephew (who was named after said husband) someone asked me if I woudl knit them a blanket "just like" the 10th anniversary EZ camping pi shawl I had knit for this baby (which took me maybe 2 months to knit and the yarn cost over $100!). I just looked at the person in startled amazement (thinking to myself, I don't even KNOW you!) and said, no, I only knit for love, and they did name the child after my husband.

MrsT said...

HONK on all 4 comments! Love the hat - a pattern would be awesome!!!!
My verification word is casto - appropriate for those who cast on!

MLJ1954 said...

an acquaintance (not a friend, just someone I know from church) once called me to ask me if I would sew her daughter's first communion dress, because she had been shopping and all the dresses were about $100 and she just couldn't afford that and figured that she would just ask me to do it. I calmly asked her what she was looking for and then told her that I would charge 4x the cost of the fabric and pattern. And she said "ballpark? What would that be, like $50?" and I responded "no, ballpark, it would probably be closer to $400." She hung up.

Anne O'Nymous said...

Gorgeous hat, Mr. H! Bravo!

When I was told that I could make good money by selling my knitting, I said, off the cuff (pardon the inadvertent pun), "Yes, but I suspect that knitting is like sex. [pause] Once someone does it for money, it makes it that much more difficult to do it for love."

A woman who was present had worked as a prostitute and told me and the others assembled that I was absolutely right.

Quoting myself has usually worked since then, as has offering to teach someone to knit, except in the case of a boorish dolt I am periodically subjected to who is looking for me to co-sign his self-absorbed asswipery.

I think next time I may try a _Color Purple_ Sofia-esque drawled "Haiuuuuuuulll no."

cheryl said...

HONK! didn't really have a comment until I saw my verification word was " dingoth" and couldn't resist typing that. Nice hat

Now and Then said...

I made a vest once for someone who told me exactly what she wanted, and I made it exactly as she wanted it, and then she didn't like it. Never again!

knitica said...

I agree. My usual answer is to look wistful and say, "oh, I could never really charge for all the hours it takes" and then move the conversation to really how much work is in a pair of socks.

I have agreed to trades of my hand work for someone else's, and both parties seemed satisfied.

knitica said...

One more story--professionally, I make costumes for theater and opera. It's a full time job, and while the pay isn't as good as many suggestions in the comments, I have always been able to eat, and have a place to live and have yarn.

Anyway, years ago while working at the Santa Fe Opera I was having a similar conversation with a co-worker. Someone had seen x in the store for y dollars and said, "Wouldn't it be cheaper if you made it?"

Answer: "It would be cheaper if I made it for me. It would be more expensive if I made it for you."

Perfect.

Emma Ouini said...

Love the hat! And a story: I was knitting at a spa last summer and two ladies walked by. They stopped, admired, and one said to the other, "now there's something you don't really see anymore: cross-stitch, is it?"

Silvina said...

Now definitely on the list should be: "wow. You can make your own garments. You must SAVE a lot of money..."
Yeah. Right. :)

Evelyn said...

I do think it's important to keep in mind that there ARE people who are able and willing to pay a realistic price for hand-knits, just as there are people who pay for the best seats at the opera and for first-class airline seats. It's worth something to people in the know to have a Panopticon original.

Cheryl said...

Please, please, the pattern please! It's just beautiful.

651367 said...

I have to submit the license plate holder I saw on my way back to work one day (of course I was going back to work after a trip to the yarn shop!). It said on the top--
"Knitting takes. . ."

and on the bottom it said, "Balls"
Of course I burst out laughing hysterically!

651367 said...

BTW Honk, Honk. I love the hat. I do sell some of my knitting but only to those who know and appreciate the time knitting takes, the price & quality of the yarns, and support the artist.

Carrie#K said...

So that's what the fight rumors about Fiona Ellis was all about. Fisticuffs at dawn, I heard.

Lovely, lovely hat!

Carol said...

I always answer the "how much" question with the qualifiers to bring the "customer" along to my way of thinking. "I timed myself on a fairly straightforward pair of socks, and they took me a generous 36 hours to knit. What do you think a fair hourly wage would be?" Their eyes get wide and they back off, every time.

And then if I should happen to give the same person a little knitted something in the future, I seem to get an awful lot of appreciation!

alabasterbox said...

Oh, that made me laugh!

A Meixner said...

cables and traveling ones, that's a pattern I can sink my needles into.

Curtis said...

It can't really have success, I feel so.
design magazines | preschool songs | how to make frosting

Togel Bola Online said...

CI'm still learning from you, as I'm making my way to the top as well. I absolutely liked reading everything that is posted on your website.Keep the stories coming. I enjoyed it!

Togel Bola Online

Agen Ibcbet said...



How wonderful! You are a lucky so-and-so! so are we. Thank you for sharing!

Sarina said...

This hat is still on my mind...Love it - awaiting the pattern

Eren Mckay said...

And I would beg to differ, I lived in a wigwam for a few months, and the spiders and I stayed nice and dry.


Adipex

thai dating said...

I feel this blog is very well organized and is quite interesting. I really want to join this kind of events.Thanks for the post.

sohbet said...

very blog
sohbet odaları & sohbet & sohbet
chat sohbet & kelebek sohbet & kelebek chat
kelebek indir & mirc indir &kelebek sohbet
kelebek chat & sohbet odalari & sohbet
cinsel sohbet & cinsel chat & seks sohbet
urfa & urfa haber
sohbet & chat
kelebek sohbet & kelebek chat
chat sohbet & sohbet chat
sohbet & chat & sohbet kanalları
sohbet kanalı & chat kanalı & sohbet
mynet sohbet & mynet & mirc indir
mirc & mirc indir

dte said...

Do not pray for tasks equal to your powers.Pray for powers equal to Buy rs gold your tasks.Then the doing of work shall be no miracle, but you shall be the miracle, Fear not that the life shall come to an end, but rather fear that Runescape Money it shall never have a beginning,. At twenty years of age Runescape2 Money., the will reigns; at thirty, the wit; and at forty, the judgment.

dte said...

Would you write to please D3 Gold just yourself? Or others? Or yourself by writing for others Cheap D3 Gold? It takes strength to do what must be done when the work is unpleasant and uncomfortable D3 Gold Sale, And of what would you write: Of love? Hate? Fun? Misery? Life? Death?Nothing Everything?

onur said...

Very good and interesting site with very good look and perfect information I like it

sohbet
chat
sohbet odaları
sohbet odalari
mirc
Liseli Kizlar
sohbet
chat
mirc
sohbet
chat
sohbet odaları
sohbet odaları
sohbet
sohbet
Chat
sohbet
sohbet
Chat
Porno
Chat
Chat
Sohbet
Mynet Chat
sohbet
Mynet sohbet
Mynet
sohbet
Mynet sohbet
Chat
sohbet
Mynet sohbet
Mynet Chat
Mynet sohbet
Mynet Chat
sohbet
Mynet sohbet
sohbet
sohbet
sohbet
Chat
Chat
Chat

sohbet said...

good supers sohbet